Public opinion reveals deep concerns regarding the increasing dependency on China for pharmaceuticals, with predominant sentiments of skepticism, distrust, and frustration about national security risks. Many commentators emphasize India's limited ability to challenge China's dominance in this sector, spotlighting fears of quality control and advocating for self-sufficiency. Although a few express national pride and optimism about India’s potential, the prevailing view is marked by apprehension about trade relations with a historically adversarial nation.

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I don’t see pharmacist as a likely job for a foreigner to be able to get in China unless it was maybe at a foreign clinic or something but I would have that lined up before going.

DigMeTX

成都很不错的。
特别是中药产业国内发展最快的地方之一。
成都生活压力不大，包容性也很好。

nickzhang88

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hi! first post here, wanted some domestic advice/opinions on wether moving to china would be a good prospect for me. i'm set to graduate with a pharmacy doctor's degree in about 2 years, my current hsk level is 2 and i plan on working to get to 5, probably. would you say that i'd be able to get a good, stable job in china? i don't really care for the difference in salaries between china and, say, the usa, i'm just curious about wether this would be a good move for the future. maybe chengdu, i've been thinking.
additional info: i'm a girl, asian, speak 7 other languages (5 fluently), and should be 23-24 around the time i graduate. thank you for the help :)

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Try to look into research positions with universities

ExperienceBig1975

hsk 2 is not enough for talk, you need hsk 3 for basic all rounder communication , just take this prase used for example :小飞飞飞飞的飞机

as a chinese person, it took me about 20 seconds to realise how i was supposed to speak it

allen20010405

I dont think pharmacy is a big job outside of US.  You will be more of a store clerk who sells medicine.

xxzephyrxx

stockmarketRA12

##China just baiting, nothing more.

They did with manufacturing in 90s, created whole world's dependency on them. Covid hit and they kept on going in lockdown disrupting the supply chain which led to inflation everywhere in last 2-3 yrs. World realized that 'Keeping all mnfg in China could be dangerous'..  Hence west is also pivoting from China and now distributing their mnfgr across multiple countries (India, Vietnam, Thailand, Brazil, etc).   

##Now China is trying to sign deals with countries to buy all the products (making others dependent on them). Anyday they can use it against India to bully us down the line.  

I wont trust China even if they do 100yr penance. They have shown their true colors in past on multiple occasions.  

##Indians talking negatively about US and praising China is the stupidest thing ever, this basically speaks we side with anyone without thinking logically. 

When did China help India in 1 thing in last 100 yrs? India and China are nemesis. Its like 1st and 2nd ranker shaking hands but internally both want to be the 1st ranker in school. They are never gonna share their secret notes to help each other.  

##For US at least I have some examples but for China 'None'

Sleepergiant2586

CodAdministrative867

My friend Donald, Abki baar Trump sarkar and what we got in return. The tariffs imposed on India were higher than China. China stood ground and retaliated against Trump. But our PM called My good friend Trump. Many members of Trump adminstration belittled India yet the laser eyed FM and the other members of Modi govt didn't utter a word against the US OR Trump. 
This was the testing time for India and the current administration made mockery of us. While the US trade secretary is bashing India left and right, our trade minister Goyal is sitting on table allowing american corn to be imported for ethanol production.

Specialist-Crew-4414

Wait till diwali pass, then this china will become like US for india.

Elegant_Heart665

Economy_Worker3916

fikar mat karo medicines are not going to get cheaper....😛😄

bigchill1106

Dragon trying hard to save elephant but whale doesn't want to help elephant at all

antonio_montana_0555

Our thoughts does not matter

These are my thoughts

Harinderpreet

Some think  ke modiji ke photo chipkane se last year jaise yeh saal bhi stockmarket bhag jayega 🤣🤣 daudun mein dar badar par koi haath na aaye .

Comfortable_Turn_420

I'm waiting when the Indians will start shouting ban Chinese goods. 

I love enjoying these swings.

Ban_Porn

This is a nothing burger or some token in negotiations. Indian generic pharmaceuticals even at 0% duty is not going to compete with Chinese domestic generic manufacturers because not only chinese manufactureres are better vertically integrated, they have a healthy supply chain of generics and their raw materials. They will barely make a dent in this market.

So this 30% is not going to do anything. China being china, providing some token benefits instead of actually trying to improve ties.

I hope the government doesnt fall for it, who am I kidding, ofc they will.

AK41781995

aktarhuss

we get APIs from them and rebrand it and sell to them
i doubt china gives a phuck

bjorrtt

Trump is successfully achieving global trade peace while excluding America from it, it's honestly kind of impressive 

rangeljl

We buy raw material for medicine from chona anyway. Doing trade deal with us is useless. They keep.on adding category wise tax despite having trade deal. They know they have highest purchasing power in terms of money.

Ready-Product

I dont feel good that our country is getting this close to china and its very odd and creepy when u think about it.

DaSuspicious1

ToothSafe2479

China just has a better economic outlook than the US, while the US is punishing every country China is welcoming them!

maxgearoz

Satvara555

The cut it is just a coverup.. Our entire API sector is as it dependent on China, so China really does not need medicines from India...What theh want is to show that they are opening their market for India, so as a symbolic gesture they would wnat India to open its economy for Chinese companies...The chinese manufacturers wbo are facing pressure from US tarriffs would have some relief if India opens up its economy

AG_940

Livid-Aspect4465

MsHomegirl420

Indian pharma are popular in China.. Some time back they had restrictions and people use to smuggle them.

lonelytunes09

Ok india, china and US are a very creepy thruple trying to woo each other one at a time with no loyalties.

fatboy_was_slim

Didn’t China supply weapons to Pakistan to fight India?

143AamAadmi

Why r we running door to door now? This same china was our enemy just a few months ago. Gobarbhakts and godi media call Sonam wangchuk Chinese agent and vishwaguru is trying to make deals with china. What a mess

Another move to improve Indo-Sino relations?

Dragon2906

I dont knw how people have the audacity to blabber about this move to shake hands with China. Ab unko Army Palawan pahalgham attack sponsor , Chinese app kuch yaad nai aa raha . Gobar bhakts r the real curse of this country. Voting for your fav party or leader is one thing and being a slave to them is another .  Hope Trump doesnt convice EU to increase tariffs on India.

RookiePatty

I find it hard to believe chinas domestic market is like 20x its foreign markets.

Lawineer

That's bs as they export to US via third countries so it doesent reflect on the official data.

XupcPrime

The original source is the article below from the RAND Corporation, a major American policy think tank.

[https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2025/06/testing-self-reliance-what-the-trade-war-reveals-about.html](https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2025/06/testing-self-reliance-what-the-trade-war-reveals-about.html)

zhuinnyc

What a laughable chart 

&gt;reflects gross revenues not value added

A great last line fine print. So if me and my friend sold a dollar back and forth we could push the domestic line as high as we want right?

Extension-Abroad187

I call shenanigans on this chart. The total China to US export in 2024 is supposed to be about $440 billion dollars.   There is no way the above chart adds up to $440 billion. Also, the entire Chinese GDP was about 18.7 trillion in 2024 while the above chart adds up to about 16-17 trillion, even though it does not include some key GDP sources in China such as real estate. 

In summary, the above chart significantly undercounts US exports while overcounts other export and domestic revenue.

oneupme

Except domestic revenues is an entirely made up number.

3d_explorer

Is this the complete list of China industries?

homo_sapiens_digitus

... this chart is obviously bullshit. China exported 3.6 trillion last year. This chart has total exports being about 800 billion, or 1/4th.

Exports are about half the size of the consumer market, and about 1/6 of all economic activity. Rule of 3 means that a total collapse in exports would wipe out about half of all economic activity in China, a collapse twice as bad as the great depression. 

Wtf is this bullshit propaganda?

dogsiwm

Puzzleheaded_Owl_417

Haha this sub must be ruined by ginaaa bots

hektor10

15% of China's exports are US, with Hong Kong being second at 8.3% (2024 figures before the tariff shenanigans). Losing even half of that export volume would be devastating  to any economy

HereWe_GoAgain_2

While few individual industries are highly dependent on US exports, China Inc. writ large benefits meaningfully from the very large trade surplus. That drives some leverage in trade negotiations when bundled with other considerations.

Johnnadawearsglasses

If this was true then they should just stop exporting to the US period. Are they stupid?

JakeEllisD

lol sureeeee I totally believe this chart

Fake data. There is not much consumption in China. Chinese people have very low income and very low consumption.

treenewbee_

If you believe a single statistic from China is like to sell you something

Sourdough9

I'm not surprised that "Nonferrous metals", "Basic chemicals", "Cement &amp; glass", and "Iron &amp; Steel" are not exported. These are precursors to finished products that are exported.

BeABetterHumanBeing

Just_Respond_780

Suspect chart.

China exports were $500+ B in 2024, yet this charts up to barely over $100B.

Or maybe this is after tariffs?  When exports have already plummeted.

Mysteriouskid00

hlrabbit

ErrorBitter9247

Don't ever trust anything you see on reddit. Most of the stuff on here is meant to manipulate.

Unlikely_Week_4984

China's domestic economy has definitely improved from where it was 10-20 years ago, but I don't think it's shifted as much as this graph implies lol

rodrigo8008

Oh in that case China will totally have no problem with 100% tarrifs as it won’t affect them whatsoever right

Redditcircljerk

So this is deceiving, since every time a component changes hands, that counts in this example.  Resources may change hands and add value 15 times before the final product is exported, significantly increasing the size of the red vs the blue/green.

planko13

The Chinese domestic market is about the same as US domestic market at this point. 

The rise of China's domestic market to a scale comparable to the U.S. market in dollar terms is a game-changing economic reality.

The traditional pressure point of tariffs was the threat of crippling China's export-reliant economy and denying its companies access to the US market. With a domestic market of comparable dollar size, Chinese companies now have a massive "home court" to fall back on. This provides a crucial buffer against US. 

At this point US needs East more than East needs US. As proven numerous times over in the past few months.

KeySpecialist9139

Also…anyone who is hiding there post history is suspect on Reddit.

Gitmfap

More ccp propaganda, these guys are working overtime

1.  Yes this is a real concern and something that should be taken seriously
2.  Yes the FDA is way to slow and bad at its job

However

 * You hilariously over estimate the capacity for AI to do the tasks you are asking it to do in this situation

 * Your timeline is absurd.  Chemistry is well understood on a small scale.  However large scale production of these type of things is incredibly difficult and as it true with most medical things avoiding contamination is paramount.

 * You would more or less need to abandon patents and rights on drugs to make this happen.

ACrazySpider

Can you fit in any more buzzwords?


Yes, over reliance on Chinese manufacturing is a problem. But I'd wager that these critical pharmaceutical components have well understood and efficient industrial manufacturing processes; it's not some Chinese secret. It's just cheaper to make them in China due to much lower labor and regulatory cost.

RocksCanOnlyWait

This post itself seems like it was written by AI, based upon all the buzzwords and incorrect statements it has. As someone who works in the pharmaceutical industry harnessing AI for drug discovery, this is... not right.

The chemistry for existing small molecule drugs is generally well-understood with no reverse engineering needed. Many small molecule drugs cannot be made with bacteria, yeast, or mammalian cells because biologic reactions are incompatible with the chemistry (extremes in pH, solvent, oxidation/reduction,etc.). Established biologics have published sequences and production methods, so no AI needed there either. My job also uses automation and I can't think of anything worse than letting a co-pilot AI run rampant in there. And don't even get me started on AI hallucinating data during your FDA IND.

The only thing that can be done in the short term is do what we do with any other critical industry (e.g. agriculture, oil, infrastructure), subsidize domestic production and attempt to address the underlying problem.

wakeupsamurai34

AI has a ant's fart chance in a hurricane to "fix" any issues caused by government policy and regulatory capture. 

This whole thing is very silly.

natermer

I'm not an immigration lawyer, but have green card holders in my family. My understanding is that if you permanently reside in China for &gt;1 year, you will lose US permanent residency AND be ineligible to reapply for several years: 

[https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-d-chapter-3](https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-d-chapter-3)

Taking that job in China likely closes the door for a long-term future career in the US completely. You will have to wait several years to even be eligible to reapply for a green card, then go through the same lengthy application process. This is assuming you can even return to the US; you have your PhD so there isn't an "easy" way to enter the country on a student visa. You will probably spend the rest of your life in China and have no path back to the US.

Reasonable_Move9518

If your long term goal is to stay in the US, then one issue I can see is the government saying you abandoned your permanent resident status. Be sure to get all your paperwork in order, including a valid re-entry permit.

organiker

US pharma and biotech companies prefer candidates who are here. Leaving will make it very difficult to get a job and return to IS, especially if the bad job market continues.

nemesisira

While there is a process to be able to leave the US for &gt;1 year while maintaining your green card status (re-entry permit) you absolutely should not move forward without first consulting with an immigration lawyer experienced with US-China immigration issues. The cold relationship between the US and China governments could make things tricky. Don't make a decision based on ANY advice here- talk to a lawyer first. If you lose your green card status, it will be VERY difficult to get it back.

If your goal is to stay in the US, then stay in the US.

Weekly-Ad353

How many years since you first got your GC? Have you thought of naturalization and then move abroad?

orgchem4life

That would actually hurt your chances of a position in the US.

btiddy519

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. 

Take the job. You’re gambling that a US pharma will offer you a position.  Taking the china job is less of a gamble and you can apply for an internal transfer when the US position opens up

franciscolorado

You can accept the offer and pull out if you find something in US

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